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Millions of surprised Germans sat on the edges of their sofas and gasped as for the first time in their lives the truth about the second world war was brought into their living rooms as the second largest broadcaster in the world took the risk of being shut down for the illegal offense of transmitting Holocaust denial.

Ursula Haverbeck: The Panorama Interview with English Subs


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How could anyone ever ignore this

" Night Will Fall "



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There is no doubt that the German committed war crimes ( like in all wars nations do )
The Political POW were persecuted and exterminated.
However the issue of holocaust is definitely questionable one.
We have seen a cruel exploitation of human beings as a slave labor during WWII.
And because of that the victims of typhus were piling up at Belsen and other camps.
There is no doubt about it.
But was it a holocaust ?

We might never know until the proper independent body investigate it.
Most likely it is too late now and this is unfortunate.

The 6 mln Jews and Holocaust in papers

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Well people it now seems that action has been taken against my video, my video is now banned in Martinique, Poland, Mayotte, Israel, Italy, Reunion, France, Switzerland, French Guiana, French Polynesia, French Southern Territories, Germany, Saint Pierre and Miquelon, Austria, Netherlands, New Caledonia, Guadeloupe, Czech Republic, Wallis and Futuna.

In Canada and America still accessible.

The Majdanek Gas Chamber Myth


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Its never to late !

it should be NOTED that this recently released film from 2014  " Night Will Fall "  
has been kept from public viewing for 70 years. 
just to spare the German people the very shame and humility they seemed to lack while trying to rebuild the Rubble the Nazis left behind before relocating to the United States and South America.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Paperclip 
 
If you can bare to watch, this film exposes once again the obscenity of Holocaust denial.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Night_Will_Fall



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I dont understand why there are people that doubt or deny the Holocaust and call ti a hoax i mean whats the point, the have footage of the bodies, ect,.
and hundreds if not thousands of people that can testify.


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None denies the war crimes, I do NOT. I repeat I do NOT.
I said above the Nazis committed monstrous war crimes were millions people have perished.

But how those war crimes were interpreted, and presented to us is QUESTIONABLE.
Today when we hear the world  the holocaust it's associated with a genocide of Jewish people - six millions ( The 6 mln Jews ).

What's about Poles,Russians, and others … why isn't not much mentioned ?
It is, but it was never politicised, and this very fact should be investigated.
The suffering of humans has been used as a geopolitical tool.
On top of it, the 20 century horror has been twisted to serve a purpose of a few.
I find this very disturbing because most likely it is too late now to correct the history of all mankind; Jews, Poles, Russians …etc .
By the way it's a crime in its own way as well.

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It is not entirely true.
In the city of Lublin ( close to Majdanek ), between 1945-1955(?) you could book a private screening for the original movie, unedited and much longer.

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Were are non-jewish people that can testify ?
I tell you a testimony from Pole ( Silesian ) , 20 years old man who's been arrested in 1940, and went through a hell.

First He's been hold in temporary camps by Gestapo.
Because he's been a suspect he ended up in Auschwitz.
He has survived. He said that 1/3 of hundreds of Poles that came that day in the same transport with him to Auschwitz have survived.
And he continues, majority of prisoners who survived have never confessed to anything.
Those who confessed have perished.

How he got out ?

His family bribed the SS Headquarters and jewish lawyer Zimmerman ( working in the city of Chorzow occupied by Germans ) who acted as a negotiator.
He says that Germans were always willing to release anyone if undesired activity against an accused were baseless, and you had money to pay the price of course.

My point is that it's not about DENIAL, it's about re-interpretation, establishment of the facts, and elimination of fictions.
The whole world community should be allowed to take part in it, incl. Ursula Haverbeck.

Current Definition of Holocaust

"Holocaust" comes from the the Greek word holokauston, itself a translation of the Hebrew olah, meaning "completely burnt offering to God," implying that Jews and other "undesirables" murdered during World War II were a sacrifice to God.

While Shoah, the Hebrew word for "catastrophe," is the preferred name -- Yad Vashem now advocates using Shoah to refer to the near destruction of European Jewry.

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None denies the war crimes, I do NOT. I repeat I do NOT.

I know you dont, those 2 links you posted, the comments in the vids, theres alot of people denying it, or doubting it, ect,.


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... those 2 links you posted, the comments in the vids, theres a lot of people denying it, or doubting it, ect,.


Denying or doubting is a part of healthy process, otherwise we "would walk like cows".

In respect to Majdanek vid, there are a few of discrepancies.
However in general it shows us the other side of story well..
Majdanek's primary role was a CRUEL LABOUR CAMP.
The Weaker would die, unwanted had to die, and the rest worked like slaves.
Remember - a capital city of Lublin was located a few meters from the outer camp fence.
You have to ask yourself - would you build an extermination camp in a such way ?

Regarding 6 mln jews vid - there's no need to say anything. You've seen it, Haven't you ?

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