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Gunter Severloh

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Yes, review the posts in this forum category http://ironfront.forumchitchat.com/?forum=284702 to get an idea of what the plan,
and project is about.

Legal Concerns of the project and what all were doing here
Be advised that even though Troc and I had started this idea, and I'm taking it further, we need to take in account
that Iron Front is still a standalone game,its still under licenses and courts, and agreements and what have you protected by i would assume a copyright.
So in accordance with this we need to keep all our work within Iron Front, and not "port" IF to arm2 or anything BIS owns as in the Arma games
this would in a way be breaking the agreements made by Awar, Deepsilver and whomever else was involved with IF, we could be sued for such actions.

Warning!
So i warn you all do not word any posts you make about what were doing here to be a mod for Arma2, or Arma3, and or use the words such as IF mod
to coming to Arma2, or Arma3, ect,.
Also it is not allowed by BIS to port models and such from Arma2, or Arma3 into Iron front and DLC without permissions from BIS,
Iron front is still a standalone game APART from Arma2 even though IF uses a version of the RV engine that is used and was created by BIS.
I suggest you guys look into this before getting the idea of doing it, I wont allow any bs in this project to happen, we do it right and legal,
and for the community
that means for IF or you are all on your own left with the game as you were when AWar shutdown on us.

Even BIS will frown on this as the engine BI licensed mind you ti Awar and company is that an agreement between them.
Now if Awar and company do not want to support and quit the game as they have, that doesn't mean the license and or
agreements made at the beginning are canceled,
or have ended, as long as they are still getting money from buyers of IF the agreements stand between BIS, and Awar and CO,
so that being said watch what you guys say, again i warn you do not mess with this, or we could get shutdown if we were
to go that direction, and some possible legal bs may be involved.

Any bs on this and i will leave the community and remove all IF content from my MR, I'm not trying to make myself big, or important,
or cool, or what have you here but I dont fancy thieves or anything that goes againsted lawful, and or licensed agreements,
even though Awar has given up or closed the game down.
    If i read or find out anything about our project here as stated above about it beign a mod to be on Arma2 or for Arma2, or Arma3
outside on some forum, and most noted BIS forums were I am regularly I will have you removed from the forums here.

Please understand where were coming from, I'm sure some people may be excited, especially the younger bunch for this if theres any but
we need the project here to happen, not for the team's sake, but for the sake of the game and the community that spent their money and bought the game.
We been sitting on our A**es to long and not supported by the officials that its our turn.
I'm trying to protect the ideas, and plans were are making here and the possibility of turning Iron Front into something amazing for everyone,
so we must do this within our means and only for IF.
I'd hope that everyone understands my intentions and concern here, and will see that I only wish the best for Iron Front nothing more.

Troc needs to first unlock the game so content can be added, so we can fix the game as the intentions have been
made noted in the few thread we have setup,
until then everything is i will still be working on what im doing, we still can do what were doing, Im just saying let us Troc and
I make any announcement about what were doing with IF.
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If you all have questions, thought sideas, feedback, even more information on the legal aspect on all this please post,
if I'm wrong somewhere please let me know,
and then correct me with the correct information, i just want to see IF go somewhere and if the Officials cannot do it then d a m if I will let the game die!
I dont want to read about any guessing, or speculation, or any bs be happy and excited,but also be considered and serious at the same time.

I would like to thank Tay-Uk for setting up these forums, as all these things this project, these members the whole plan would have not come
about if these forums were not made available, so give him a big thank you when you see him on chat, or wherever.

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Important notes Gunter. If we want this to go our way we need to keep things "within IF". I can imagine this being a potentially real issue, so it is good that everyone now are informed about "the rules of engagement".
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Good luck with this guys, quite an endeavor but if you succeed it will be wonderful.
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This is great news.  Any legal issues?  I would not think so since we bought the game and are not modding to make money. 

Starting tonight - now that I finished my Western Front project - am returning to where I left off to learn Cinema 4d and Zbrush.  Will now balance learning these programs with my scenario editing.  My goal is eventually to be able to add my own content.  I was doing well and then got off track when IF44 came out.  Got a lot to learn, but might be able to contribute down the road.

I would think best approach is to fix the game, then work backwards to Hitler Moves East.   For instance, if we just had more maps of Ukraine and Russia, we could create scenarios from the middle to late part of the war with the existing content.  Then down the road, could develop content to take us back further toward the opening of the Eastern Front.
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The way I see the legal issues is very simply, the manufacturer has had ample time to fix the issues that still remain in the game, the manufacture has now buggered off!! So as any consumer would, they have to get it fixed themselves, and if we then happen to improve our purchased product at the same time how can that be wrong
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Well, I am all for it.  Just purchased the Arma 3.  While I really like the improvements, I just don't get thrilled with future operations.  I like the historical, so keeping this and other World War 2 mods alive, I am solid behind it.  Just wish my skills with modeling were much further along to help.
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Well, I am all for it.  Just purchased the Arma 3.  While I really like the improvements, I just don't get thrilled with future operations.  I like the historical, so keeping this and other World War 2 mods alive, I am solid behind it.  Just wish my skills with modeling were much further along to help.


+1! Despite great sounds and improvements to the engine, that modern, almost scifi, stuff doesn't do it for me. Let's keep the history alive 
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Yea, I am glad that Invasion 44 plans to move their Mod to Arma 3.  Would be nice to get IF44 back on track and then later down the road move it to Arma 3 engine as well.   Hell in the Pacific is another great looking Mod as it is currently.  I plan to support all three.
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Glad to see T_roc involved in WW2 addon making again. Loved your packs and played them to death on lan with friends in the " good ol OPF" days.

There was a gentleman by the name of O_brian on the old Iron Front forums who had added a few tanks n such to the game. If we could track him down, he might also be able to help with this project.

Thanks to all you guys who are trying to keep this game alive, hopefully the old lib mod members might throw in some support as well from time to time.
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Well, I am all for it.  Just purchased the Arma 3.  While I really like the improvements, I just don't get thrilled with future operations.  I like the historical, so keeping this and other World War 2 mods alive, I am solid behind it.  Just wish my skills with modeling were much further along to help.


same for me exactly, although my personal interests go more toward scripting and island making.
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The way I see the legal issues is very simply, the manufacturer has had ample time to fix the issues that still remain in the game, the manufacture has now buggered off!! So as any consumer would, they have to get it fixed themselves, and if we then happen to improve our purchased product at the same time how can that be wrong

Very good point Tay, it only makes sense at this point in time to fix and do what we have been wanting to do since the start of the game, addon content, fix problems and play it how we wanted!
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hopefully the old lib mod members might throw in some support as well from time to time.

Ya tell us what lines in the exe will unlock the game so we can mod it. or do it for us, or just allow modding altogether, now that they are SOL because of DS
i think they cant touch the game anymore, so as I said with all the BS that happened you should have had the game opened for the public to mod right of the bat,
  and Awar and DS and whomever else would be making more money and advancing IF, but no the community here are all dumb, we dont know anything,
you had BIS as a perfect example of how to conduct the game, all you had to do is watch and learn.


Current situation with the IF Mod revival project
Some news in case some if not all of you are wondering whats happening or if anything is being done yet or at all.
Currently TRoc and I have opened the ironFront.exe as TRoc says that we need to disable the file check protection or something rather
I forget but he just pmed me a while ago with a program editor that opens exe files.

So currently all we need to do is locate i believe the code or config files, that are hidden from what I understand, which are the configs
that....(trying to think here, and word it right), access IF's content to be run by the exe, in other words when the game launches via the exe the exe
from Im theorizing, and from the top of my head that TRoc explained, the exe goes to the confi files, and reads the coding or something and then loads
the content from IF addons folders after a file check, this file check is to make sure that all files are present that are required by the exe's configs.

TBH Im not 100% sure on any of this, I have an idea, but basically if i recall what he said, once we find this file check config or code or something,
then all he needs to do is create a mod from it where the gamefiles from the addons folder and other areas will be loaded via changed config line, so were disabling the check and making the config "unhidden" so that the game files can be seen/used by none other then outside content being added in, hence community made mods.

I hope that Troc could explain this so you all can have a clearer picture of what were doing and dealing with and get the good feeling that this
maybe very much possible to mod and fix Iron front!

I will report the status again once I get some more info from Troc unless he himeslf comes on here and posts, then too i will also post my findings.
Unlike the official developers and whomever else, I am not one to keep people in the dark for days/weeks or month/s at a time, so expect to see me posting consistantly,
i personally hate lack of communication as I have stated many times on the Official IF forums so you will not get any lack from us! 

Do understand that this process of "unlocking" may take some time, how much time? I have no idea, only Troc would know, i asked to help as I'd feel more useful
looking too then just asking him questions, also Im a good beta tester as he knows from our past, so I can maybe look and or see things he may need the extra eyes for.

All for now.


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Howdy all!

 

THAT IS SO AWESOME! I just reinstalled IF44 and was quite pi$$ed after visiting the forums and seing the news about them being 'down'. G√ľnther you're real Held All the best with this project and thanks for having more faith in a game with quite a huge potenital than even their original developers!

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Just went to the Iron front gooberficial forums. Yeah I hope this isn't destracting you all. Seems these guys still think were a bunch of 12 year olds.
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Thank you Flv Venom, were trying here.

Eluthral, I personally really could care less what anyone says about anything we are doing, they can go kiss off,
we may be a bunch of 12 yr olds to them but when modding becomes possible like a bunch of turncoats they come crawling
with respect because some of us had enough gumption and earnest interest, dedication,
to see the potential and care for the game to do something where the developers and publishers wouldn't.

Lets keep this on topic too, focus on the project and forget what anyone else says their all a bunch of babies and losers that
dont care about the game,i dont submit to any cultural bias because some a**hats say something, someone will always say
something but most wont do anything.
Tell these meatheads to get a life.
Either lead, follow, help or get the F**k out of the way!

If any modder knows their way around configs, and exes, and can help please do so, the faster we figure this out, the sooner we can start
changing this game and our experience of it, again focus on the project at hand!

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News
Hey guys we have several great things going on in the community here, first off i you had read my latest post here about the situation
with Awar, and DS and the official stuff behind Iron Front.

As for the community and the IF mod revival project.
A recap about the project, the idea behind the project is to get modders involved in reviving the Iron Front game,
so this means
  • modders creating content that will work in the game
  • players creating missions and releasing them
  • members posting their wishes and what they would like to see in the game
  • members reporting any bugs, problems, and errors they come across in IF or the DDay DLC

So here is a list of what is actually going on in the community for this project
  • Jourius has made possible to get his Fallshirmjaegers ingame
  • IF Explosions addon is available with a vid to demonstrate thanks to CDO Amnesia for the vid
  • we also have the FAW 1.3(IFL44) autonomous artillery Addon now available
  • We have Shpagin working on a new 10 scenerio campaign for IF
  • we have 4 community coop groups that regularly play and run missions
  • we have regular weekend games from SimHQ
  • I myself (Gunter Severloh) am working on several projects for the community one such as my Mission Repository
  • Tay-Uk and I are working on a project for the forums here where we will be gathering all information from the IF wiki,
and the IF forums, and setting them up here
  • TRoc is currently working on the main aspect of the IF revival mod Project which he is working on trying to enable modding for the game
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If anyone else wants to post what they are doing for the community your more then welcome to.

I wanted to make a note here that is if there anyone who is interested in locating bugs and issues
with the game that can be reported, then please report them here:
http://ironfront.forumchitchat.com/?forum=287192
what I would like to do is establish a list of things that needed to be fixed, or updated, refer to the IF Unofficial Patch
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Now that the game is dead on the Official side, its up to us the community to keep it alive and make it better!


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