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Gunter Severloh

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Hello everyone,
I would like to setup a thread here for those members of the community to express their opinions, feelings and
knowledge if any on the situation with Awar and the Iron Front game.

As some of you know the official Iron Front Forums and Iron Front Community wiki are down but
the only forums up for IF is the DeepSilver

Your thoughts, opinions, ideas, likes, dislikes, news, or information.


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A truely sad situation, I still find it hard to believe, after all these years of effort into this project, they just let it go down the drain.
I guess they felt it was better to slip away in the middle of the night then stick around and wait for the angry mob to express their usual sentiments. If the plug was pulled by Deep Silver from lack of sales then AWAR probaby had no choice except to pay out of pocket or cut their losses and close shop. even so a final statement from one of the Devs would be more then appropriate at this point. I appreciated your post on the BI forums Gunter, expressing that now more then ever it's up to the community to keep the game alive. 

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Agree. Like you said a final statement would be good, and too note that Awar are former Liberation mod 1941-45 team from OFP if you remember.

Overall I'm not 100% convinced they are truly gone, we all got to remember the forums were running like crap, with all its spam threads, and slowness it got.
I was banning people left and right with those spam thread, same for ProfT too.

A pm I recently sent Foxhound a few hours ago on Armaholic, heres what i asked him (now consider that he knows how to run and setup php websites,
and host and stuff, i was working with him, he knows his stuff).

Anyways what i pmed him:

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Hi foxhound!
Question for you this link:
http://forum.iron-front.com/forum.php?s=4fcc5365ec8d5d77392ed7ee8bfcaa9e
and this link
http://wiki.iron-front.com/index.php/Main_Page

What does it mean when 404 not found shows up like this?

Not my websites of course, its the iron front Forums, and the community wiki just
wondering what it actually means?

Gunter
 
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Forgot to add, if you follow the link here on the 404 page it takes you here:
http://forum.iron-front.com/

could that mean that they are changing to a new forum, i mean the forums were slow as shit, so im wondering if they are getting new forums?
But they didn't say anything to any of us, they just disapeered.

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Well, for me it means the forums and wiki have been deleted.

This last url means that the domain is pointing to a servers but the domain is not active.
It could mean a lot but for me it looks bad

Greets,
Foxhound

So as you can see something is or isn't happening. At this point its a stick in the wind nothing we can really do, but keep going what we been doing.
What i dont care for and just my opinion, and people's proogative if they want, is that i been seeing familiar faces (members) that have contributed to
the community trough missions and what have you, to basically quit because of this situation with the developer, now with some folks it seems like its a given,
me it doesn't really bother me tbh.

I guess maybe I'm to laid back or something, almost to the point where I dont care, but I guess you can say that, and I will ask, what did I lose?
i still have the game, it dont freeze, it dont crash, i can still make missions, other then no patches maybe and very possible no more support big chance
but we all dont know, the game still works.

Again to me what i told Tay-Uk is that I have a game i really enjoyed I dont play it anymore but still have it, but i was playing the crap out of the game
way after the company basically closed its doors, only reason I stopped was well its a linear game, i actually might play it again it was fun, game was Wolfenstein
if you guys ever heard of that title.
But see I didn't uninstall the game because there was no support or patches anymore, i had no idea they were gone,
I wasn't expecting the game to get updated anyways.

I know IF is a bit different but still you have the game no? We can still build scripts, adn missions for it, there are still folks
downloading missions from the MR, and i bet you theres still new people joining the community. there is another subject i would like to cover
in terms of support that being fixing the game ourselves, but i will leave that for another thread.

Heck if we have to we'll build our own wiki, we already have a place for missions,
we could get a place for downloading patches too.


your thoughts guys.


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Hi (1),


I'm VERY sad to see that the forum AND the Wiki are disapeared as they never existed. I feel as betrayed. Not that i wanted absolutely patchs (2) and DLC (it would be even so better), but the forum and the Wiki allowed to answer at our questions about different problems that we could encounter in the creation of mission, scripts, textures, etc.
I feel as a "dindon" which was only asked to pay, without no gratitude from AWAR or DEEPSILVER or i don't know someone else. I feel as a consommateur (3), and not as a player.

As i'm spiteful, i won't forget this way to do from AWAR (or someone else)...



But in order to finish positivily , i want to add that the Clan des Officiers will still to play on Iron Front.





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(1) : I apologize for my bad english. So sorry for the not native writings...
(2) : However, a patch would be welcome in order to fix the bugs in the maps as Staszowor Omha Beach, and others problems.
(3) : it's a word game in French language beetwen consommateur (Fr) = consumer and con (French) = designed.

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Thanks for posting your feelings and thoughtsJoarius glad you and your unit have decided to stay with the game.
I think that even though we feel betrayed as you pointed out that we really dont know exactly whats going on, i personally dont really care much
for the whole thing and it dont realyl bother me really other then at least say something, I'd rather be let down or dispointed that they are closing up shop for whatever reason then
be sitting here guessing and assuming what their doing.

If Awar cant do it then they cant do it, i think they had their hands full or to deep for their own good.

All i remember is the attention notice on the forum. What were your guys take on that?

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Well I'm sad about.
It's not the game which is bad, it's the way all involved parties (names known) handle us.
Us fans, us customers who paid and supported them and their work.
Just turn out the lights, no word, nothing.., I feel about like falling into a black hole, as I said before.
Seeing that bad style, it's a sure thing, that I'm not willing to buy any product from them again.
I just hope that we, we who love this game, will get needed infos (tools/mod) to go ahead and make this game better as it still is already.
But looking into the past.., I believe this will still be a dream. Too bad.
But I will still going ahead scripting and playing for this IF44, it's fun.
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All i remember is the attention notice on the forum. What were your guys take on that?


I never seen the notice what did it say ?

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It was something about looking for Dev's for the Crytek engine or something.
CryEngine3

Makes me think they are planning on working on either something completly new or maybe..............dare I say it............doing Ironfront on that engine. I also fear it was that message that caused the whole lot to be shut down. Maybe the dev's made the message and angered the money men.
But without any further words from them it is all speculation.
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All i remember is the attention notice on the forum. What were your guys take on that?


I never seen the notice what did it say ?

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X1Software, the developers of Iron Front Liberation 1944, are starting a new project and are seeking interested and committed modders that are very familiar with Cry Engine 3 SDK and tools for modern level design. Please get in touch via email if you are interested.
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After that post got bad replies. They closed it and said they will inform us when new information becomes available(not exact words). The question is, Did they mean the new project, Iron Front, or X1/AWAR's future?

They should at least put every last effort to getting the modding rights from BIS for us.
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From what Mateush from our Unofficial iron front forums thread on BIS forums said today:

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I am not their member but i am very close to the very IF developers - AWAR, the sad truth is that the Iron Front has been canceled by investor. Everybody just has been forbidden to talk about it. I dont know why has such decission been made, but i know that the whole AWAR team is very sad about it as they put many years of their lifes into its development and managed to build fantastic community. They were and still are very happy for every player who enjoyed their game. But not all future is dark as AWAR is working on a differend project, differend game, and i have faith that their future is bright.

So it seems the investors that were supporting (investing ) in Awar's project stopped, and that Awar is working on a different project.
Why Awar couldn't just just go off on their own and treat the game like it was a mod, i mean its their work, but im sure theres legal rights in terms of
ownership from other parties involved that wont let Awar work on it, or take it up on their own. Then too I wish that someone from Awar themselves would
help us put this all to rest and tell us that IF is finished and heres how to access the game and mod if you want.

if we could at least mod the game, then we could "fix" various aspects of it, come up with our own patch.
As i think i mentioned somewhere before Skyrim to use an example had a small group of modders that got together and create a mod they called the
unofficial patch for the game, and went on fixing almost every aspect of the game be it missions, textures, ect..

I was thinking if it were possible how could we do the same?
any thoughts or ideas, i mean whats needed? we can open the files but can we make any edits any changes?

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X1Software, the developers of Iron Front Liberation 1944, are starting a new project and are seeking interested and committed modders that are very familiar with Cry Engine 3 SDK and tools for modern level design. Please get in touch via email if you are interested.

ya i remember that message, but that was like 2-3 days before the forums shutdown for good, i didn't think anything of it or really understood what it meant, maybe it was a hint to all of us that it was the end and the start of something new, IDK but killing Iron Front just to move to cry engine if thats what the deal is wasn't helpful to leave us all in the dark about whats going on.

if their taking IF to Cryengine well that be interesting to see, but i hope then if it were so then i hope to be able to edit and create missions like we can now with the editor, i wont buy a game if it dont have an editor, depends.

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From what Mateush from our Unofficial iron front forums thread on BIS forums said today:

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I am not their member but i am very close to the very IF developers - AWAR, the sad truth is that the Iron Front has been canceled by investor. Everybody just has been forbidden to talk about it. I dont know why has such decission been made, but i know that the whole AWAR team is very sad about it as they put many years of their lifes into its development and managed to build fantastic community. They were and still are very happy for every player who enjoyed their game. But not all future is dark as AWAR is working on a differend project, differend game, and i have faith that their future is bright.



Very sad news ...
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Real shame. To me, it seems that the real problem was the execution, rather than the game itself.

Things might have been better had the development not been so confusing. There were, what, 4 companies involved in this project? Probably all with their say in how IF should done and what else. It didn't help either that AWAR had to use BIS to make core engine changes when it looks like the resources of BI have been stretched for the past year. Maybe things could have been better had it been just AWAR and BIS with sales digital only. There just seems to have been a lot of...stuff going on for something that wasn't a AAA release.

Those are just my observations and thoughts. At the end of the day it's all speculation.

A couple weeks notice would have been much appreciated. That way we could have gotten everything we could have from the old forums. A lot of information, missions, templates, skins and stuff now gone thanks to whoever that deleted it all without warning.
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So let's hope that we will get some information so we can repair / mod our paid game.
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Everybody just has been forbidden to talk about it.

if this is true I have to ask: Why, what's behind this?
Such statements let me fear that we are on our own from now.


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Hey guys some new information from BIS forums:
Note I will add in some notes ( ) for those who dont know who is who.
OMAC said yesterday:
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When I told Mlacix-(Head forum Moderator on Official Iron Front forums) about the forums being down, it came as a surprise to him,
so I doubt he was involved with the initial shutdown.
We had a very nice chat, and he shared my concerns and disappointments about IFL44 developments over the past several months.
He suggested we forget the mistakes that have been regrettably made and move on. One of these mistakes was the lack of modding support in IFL44.
Such mistakes are much less likely to reoccur in the future after these experiences.

I heard from the source (not Mlacix) that it was the publisher giving X1/AWAR a bad deal several months ago that was the principal cause of the current situation,
as Dwarden alluded to above.
And we all know about the X1/AWAR quest for CryEngine 3 modders, so it is safe to assume that X1/AWAR are very much alive and looking for new direction.
With their talent, they have a good chance to succeed in the future. But IFL44 is dead for sure, although resurrections have happened before...

As far as I know, X1/AWAR are as saddened and disappointed about the current state of affairs as we are, and perhaps much, much more.

X1/AWAR for those of you who do not know are the developers of Iron Front, they are the guys that created the content of the game,
they are also former LiB Mod team, Lib mod is short for Liberation 1941-1945 mod, it was the Eastern front mod made by them in OFP (Operation Flashpoint)
which was the first game in the BIS series games, LIb mod team you can see their OFP WW2 mod website HERE
Now in 2009-2012 i believe they ported their mod to Arma2, see a vid here:
for a promotional they did, and here is also the BIS forum thread
http://forums.bistudio.com/showthread.php?86488-%E2%80%9Cliberation-1941-1945%E2%80%9D&highlight=Liberation1941-1945
we all were following since 2009 on the LIb mod, you can read up through out the thread towards 3.4 to the end that they went from mod to full game aka Iron Front.

There are files in Iron Front that have Lib in front of them.

Anyways my point of all that was to give you all some background on who Awar is, and to say that I know Awar wouldn't just pull the plug,
they are old OFP team, and part of the community, to me back in the days when they were a mod they were always working on the mod and
had updated it quite a few times. So all in all I dont think it was Awar's fault that Iron Front closed down, its whom they were associated with.

Their may be a future for Iron Front if Awar take a different path, as far as i have read from those who have posted they are working on something new, so what that may be we dont know.
As far as Iron front goes, right now theres talks on a thread on BIS forums where I am regularly active on about somehow enabling Iron front as a mod for Arma2CO, its pretty interesting!

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