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They're done with the game. The truth is they were done with the game as soon  as they relized modding the game was impossible for the community because of the agreement (they recieved the short end of that stick). I don't know if there is anything we can do about it. Only if BIS buys the game I suppose.
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I already asked Placebo head PR for BIS and he said highly doubt BIS would buy IF, so I think at this point, we could either contact DS and state our idea,
or keep doing what were trying to do and unlock the game and mod and fix it, atm IDK know if its possible in some parts, but all I can say is keep the spirit alive.

If we ask DS then we will need a direct line or way to contact them so they can answer us.
If they dont then I think we should setup a petition and collect everyone's names and a statement of what we want, if it works I have no idea, but i suppose it
would be worth a try, what are your guy's thoughts on that?

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Thats unfortunate. I suppose we try and contact DS. I just can't see this going anywhere. What can a publisher do?
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Well from what i gather DS owns the game now as do the investors, as that is what Panzer_Baron said as hes one of the AWar developers
go back to post number 44 on this thread its on page 3, and you can read my quote there from Panzer baron, basically DS and investors own the game.
So if anything we need to contact DS.


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Some news
I wont reveal anything as I have been told to keep secret, so all i will say is that as before earlier in this thread i think i quoted somewhere,
that modding has been closed, and is final.
I also stated DS and the investors own IF, and all agreements to further the game from what i understand are
finished, so basically whatever we try to do in terms of contacting DS, or anyone related whomever is in charge to ask about modding and future patches,
you can pretty much forget it, they wont do it they are finished with the game.

So all in all Iron Front has indeed been shutdown, or canceled, closed whatever word you feel comfortable with.
This was done almost 3 weeks ago when the IF forums shutdown for the 2 weeks and same for the wiki.

So its final no more Iron Front work is being done by the makers, and everyone involved, it is officially dead to them.
Now for Awar they are the developers of the game, this means that they made all the content of the game, but they have no say in the matter of adding
more content or anything related to patches.
however as Panzer Baron (Awar Dev) has stated in a quote that Awar is indeed working on a new WW2 project, so this we can expect to see something
with soon I would think as it will be 3 weeks on Friday since the IF forums and wiki shutdown and now are back up.

So you all can say Iron front is dead or you can support the community here and work on your projects, and try to get them ingame, and or get
involved and keep the spirit of IF alive as alot of us are working on the game.

Negitive Attitudeas & what this forum is
Now if after this news some get a bad or negative attitude and say Iron Front is dead this game sucks blah, blah,  we should have and or they should have,
lets say this, the arguments are over, theres nothing we can do about changing any of the people's minds behind the scenes for IF to give us a patch,
or anything with modding, you can b*tch and moan, and complain, and have a sh*t attitude, if you dont like the game then take a hike.

These forums have a new spirit for Iron Front, here we are the fans of Iron Front that run this forum, we are the community that likes Iron Front, there is nothing
here or any of us running this forum that are related to anyone official that built, or published or sold Iron front, we are here as community members and fans that
play the game, love WW2 history, enjoy building missions for the game, and want to do whatever it takes to make the game better through the community, if your all
for this then your very welcome here.

Latest news
 News on whats going on with the Iron Front community currently, and what everyone is doing can be read on the IF mod revival project thread.



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Thanks for the update Gunter.

I just want to add that this situation reminds of something similar with another developer.

Any of you guys familiar with Graviteam and their Cold War era tank sim SABOW? The game was made by the developers and published by a company in Germany (IIRC) who dropped support for the game which meant no more patches. The way Graviteam got around this is by developing and releasing patches unofficially since they had the means to do so.

The situations aren't directly comparable but I just wanted to throw that out there in the hopes something positive might come from it.
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Perhaps they should see if Matrix games would purchase IF44 and offer it for sale.  They do that often with game abandoned by those who wanted the fast bucks.
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Late reply, but they should just give to us and unlock it for us, as we can do more with it then anyone else can, as anyone else dont care.
If Matrix games wanted IF then they would have made an offer. If you want something bad enough, you will say and or do something that reflects that.
Doing, and or action speaks louder then what anyone can say. What you do says alot more about your intent then your intent to act.
Then we can all say when i see it I will believe it.

This game is out of Awar's hands, and DS dont care anymore, BIS wont do anything so the game is left to rot, and its funny though now DS would still
be collecting a passive income from all those who are still new an buying the game, those who dont know the situation.
Well were with open arms here, the IFR team will spport the community, I will do what it takes to make this happen.

I do from time to time post on this thread Is it worth buying?
my most recent post was today, overall i am rather still furious at the situation, but this only motivates, and inspires me more to make our mod happen,
and do what we can for the community, I can and will be very outspoken about this game, but really whats important is what we do as the remaining community, for those that still play, and enjoy the game, alot of folks are still hanging on by a thread of interest for the game, and its understandable, so I will only work harder for such person's as you, i will with my own time, my own energies to see it through that the IF
community is supported and survives, and flourishes.

As said on that thread on my post, i feel the community should decide where a game goes, the customer is always right, after all we are the ones that bought the game.All the requests and wishes, and the bug reports you have made so far is a very big indicator that the community wants Iron Front to thrive,
they know that the game has potential.
I think once we have the mod released that the game will go downhill from there, meaning that it will just go faster, and get better and get bigger because of the number of people that would be and or willing to help in adding to the game, be it new content, reports, feedback, fixes, missions, scripts, and just plain old interest.

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Something I just thought of....

I had asked in March, Placebo who is the main PR guy and head administrator of BIS forums, if BIS would consider buying Iron Front, and it comes to mind now that i believe that if we were to start a petition or a huge list, post the main list here, and then have one on IF official forums asking BIS
to buy Iron front and then unlock it for modding, if they were to see the number of people that truly want this game, i think
we could save this game, i mean this would mean more money for BIS not DS, as DS dont care, they only care about the money,
I know BIS care about the money but they have shown and have proven through their games that they listen to the community.

So what are your guys thoughts on this create a petition asking for BIS to buy Iron Front from DS and whomever else owns it, BIS already owns the engine.
As we do know DS would lose their passive income from the game but seriously it would be worth a try. your thoughts.


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I'd sign
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I'd sign
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I would sign,
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I hate to see such wasting of potential and work already done only because of combination of legal issues, lack of good will and narrowed $tandpoint. If someone wants to limit own FOV only to his wallet, it is his poor choice, but if anything can be done to keep IF alive and further developed regardless of that - I support this, if and how I can, even if my support doesn't mean much. Too many efforts wasted I saw and see everyday.
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I would sign (if necessary even with two hands )
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Glad to read that you guys would support this.
I been thinking about it a bit at work last night and I'm thinking a couple of things before i go an venture off and setup a petition.

1. Would need to dicuss this with known members of the BIS community, Foxhound who owns Armaholic, who i exchange pms with on occasion,
and 2 would be Placebo the head administrator of BIS forums, basically a pr guy for BIS. The idea would to get their feedback on the situation
and then ask them in such a way that would suggest what if BIS was open to it or would consider it if.... there was enough people listed on a
petition saying that we the people of IF game (the players of course) support this game and would like to see this game have a future.

2. We would need a form for a petition, a forum thread wouldn't work.

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Here are some reasoning's behind this idea for and if BIS were to buy Iron Front:

If BIS were to consider buying IF
  1. They could make it a DLC to Arma2CO, a DLC like PMC, and the others sorry cant think of any atm
  2. If they would do a DLC there was word that IF was actually their test to see a response to a possible future WW2 project they intend to do themselves. If they owned Iron Front then they basically are already a step ahead.
  3. If they owned IF there is not much they would need to do, if they would only resetup the files of the game so that the community could mod it like we already do Arma2, I think that BIS could let the community add the content and fix the game where it was needed, of course any new official support from them would be gladly accepted and appreciated.
  4. With BIS's background, and history, having Iron Front under their belt would only better the sales for IF, also considering that open modding like Arma2 for IF would Boost sales as well.
  5. Consider the other possibilities if IF was in BIS's hands think of all the other addons and mods WW2 related, AI enhancement, functionality type mods that could be used along side IF, think of all the islands/maps that the content from IF could be used on, think of the types of missions you could build if Iron Front had the modules like I44, or Arma2OA had.
Thing to keep in mind is to give BIS a reason to want to buy IF, to want to consider buying it, as they would have to giveup a handful of money to DS, and whomever, so in one regard it is a loss of money for BIS and possibly a risk, on the other hand the game is already established, and already has a community base to it, theres more potential for new "customers" for IF if BIS had it as if you think about it BIS doesn't have any games they sell that have anything of WW2 content, other then Arma series mods with some WW2 mods.
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Heres another perspective on this same thing:
Getting DeepSilver to sell Iron front.

Your guy's thoughts.

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I have posted twice about Matrix Games and been completely ignored.  But Matrix game does buy games that are hardcore wargames and keeps them going.  They still publish updated Close Combat Games that I played over 20 years ago!  A true classic!  Why not check them out for potential buyer of IF44.  BIS is moving on to Arma3, why would they want this old game?  Contact Matrix games would be a good option in my opinion, they don't just buy old games they work to enhance them.
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