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Gunter Severloh

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Shpagin no one has ignored you, and I dont recall another post you made mentioning them.
None the less I like the idea, when you post about things you need to provide more details.
What other games have they bought?

Also if they were to buy IF it would mean I would think that they would also need to contact BIS to get a new license from them to do what will, unless of course the license is transferable.
This is obviously out of our hands, and is dealt with on the business side of things.

Iron Front is hardly an old game, its pushing a year old, and within a year's time it came to life and died at the same time.
Anyways I will need a direct link to contact them.

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http://www.matrixgames.com/
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Yep that is the link.  I know they just recently picked up the Scourge of War Civil War game.  They are really for hardcore wargamers, not your Call of Duty BS.  So Iron Front 44 would fit perfect and i would think that they might want to jump at this game. Especially, when there is a group of harcore gamers and modders who would work with them for free to make it a success.
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Thanks Tay.
I had contacted them last night, so now just a wait to see what they say.
I didn't provide any information as what they had on the one page was just a comment box, but if I have to I will send it again, but i will just wait for a response.
Thing im thinking of is, if they were to indeed buy IF that would be awesome, but questions do come up, like:

1. Would BIS allow modding for the game as its their engine that is licensed to DS currently?
I got to assume the possibility of modding would be allowed but only through the modding possibilities agreement
I also got to assume that if Matrix games would take this game up that the same aggreements would be setup as linked above.
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Bohemia Interactive has offered the very accommodating compromise to allow the modding community to have their work to be released as free standalone DLC for Iron Front, or to be integrated into Iron Front itself as free patch content or finally as paid content. To be able to do so, the modder (team) will have to license his/her (their) work to X1Software/Awar to be used for Iron Front.

Based on this line if the IFR team would just focus on content and fixes for the game we would have the options of providing the content in a patch,
or DLC, i think a patch would be more realistic.

2. The other point is Matrix games is not familiar with the files setup, not going to assume that they wouldn't know where to go or what to do,
but for us modders I can only assume that they would have to get in contact with BIS to setup new agreements and what not.

We'll see, i will keep you guys posted on the response with Matrix games, and I will also be talking with Placebo about this new idea.



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The Beatles wrote music.  EMI was their publisher.

Matrix Games does not write code. Matrix Games is a publisher.
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I'm pretty sure Matrix Games did some in house coding work on the Close Combat series rereleases. They also help developers with QA when necessary. Great guys!
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Some new for you guys!

here is an email I received and had replied to with Matrix games:
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-----Original Message-----
From: gunterseverloh@gmail.com [mailto:gunterseverloh@gmail.com]
Sent: 21 April 2013 11:57
To: developers@matrixgames.com
Subject: Matrix Games - Contact Us Form

The following message has been sent via the Contact Us page :

Sender : Gunter Severloh
Email : gunterseverloh@gmail.com

Hi, I am a fan of a game that has been abandoned, I would like to talk with
someone about considering on buying that game.


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On Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 4:10 AM, JD McNeil <jdm@slitherine.co.uk> wrote:
Hi Gunter
If we can help you we will
Regards
JDM


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Hi JDM thanks for your reply.
Let me give you a brief idea of what i need help with.

There is a game recently (late January 2013) that has been abandoned by the developers, but is still being sold by the publishers.
The game engine is licensed to the publishers I believe, and the game engine belongs to BIS (Bohemia interactive Studios).
heres the wiki page of the game and information pertaining to the companies involved.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_Front:_Liberation_1944
http://www.deepsilver.com/us/game-view/view/game/access16/iron-front-2/

Now a forum which i am administrator on along side another, is a fansite forum that has replaced the official forums for the game, this is where most of the regular members of the game are currently going to, at least I would like to think so with our members, anyways the address to our forum http://ironfront.forumchitchat.com/
A member of the forum who is a regular poster, had suggested that you guys matrix games might consider buying the game we play which is called Iron Front, IF for short.
He said that matrix games would buy any abandoned game and update it, not sure on the truth to that so I took it on my own to contact you guys.

Lastly the game we play has been abandoned as I said, the developer has moved on to another game engine and another project, where the publishers are still selling the game. Now the game has huge potential, as its based on an engine that is know to be highly moddable, the engine the game uses as seen linked in the wiki link is was created by BIS, their famous games known as OFP (Operation Flashpoiint), Arma1, Arma2, Arma2OA, and now Arma3 is what the engine is, the modding community for these games are epically massive!!!
     So to us Iron Front fans we are all rather disappointed that our beloved WW2 game is no longer supported, in fact quite a bit of the community went with it when it died, but my forum and community is being kept alive. We have alot of modders that are willing to make new content and even fix the game, i have a whole 11 man team dedicated to this game, but we cannot add any new content, nor fix the game because the game has been locked down, basically based on agreements modding is not possible, it was at one time based on this:
http://forum.iron-front.com/showthread.php?358-Iron-Front-Liberation-1944-Modding-possibilities-Announcement

So my final question based on all the above, is can you help the community, would matrix game consider buying Iron Front from DeepSilver?
As they are not doing anything with it other then selling it, they dont support the game, nor can they, they have no one to add new content or update the game, my team can and I k now many others that would join us, but based on agreements we cannot do anything.

I hope that you guys would see the potential of this game, as i have in many forum posts in the official forum, on BIS forums have stated that if modding were allowed for IF that the game would get more buyers, and the community would grow huge, Arma2 games are perfect example of this.

please help. Your thoughts.

Gunter


here is a pm and then e-mail with Placebo and the contact he suggested I contact:
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Originally Posted by Günter Severloh
Hi Placebo,
We had a short pm exchange about IF before about BIS possibly buying iron Front, one of the members on my IF Fan Forums recently posted about a game company, im sure you may have heard of them Matrix games.

The question is what if a another gaming company were to buy Iron Front from DS, and whomever else owns IF, does that mean new agreements would have to be written up between BIS, the new company?

Lastly On the terms of the new company wanting to update the game via modding, like what was said here:
Modding possibilities
would it be possible to get new content, and fixes for the game if it were allowed but done by modders?

Basically what im asking is what would BIS allow and or do, and is it even possible that BIS would accept another company to buy Iron Front, because the game surely is not dead, the community is very active, but the game with this huge potential I find to be such a huge waste, I feel its necessary to do something with the game, alot of us cannot let it just sit and be dead, because DeepSilver isn't doing anything with it, so why not another company that would.

Your thoughts.

Gunter
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Placebo's Reply:

Unfortunately I'm not in a position to comment on your questions, not least because it's not really my area, if the IF devs themselves can't/won't answer the questions then I'm not sure who could, the terms of the contract would probably be considered "private and not for public discussion", the only thing I can suggest is you try Emailing Ota Vrtatko ota@bistudio.com he's the publishing director at Bohemia http://cz.linkedin.com/in/otavrtatko

Regards,

Paul.


The e-mail i sent the Ota guy at BIS, and waiting for a reply:
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Hello Ota,
My name is Gunter Severloh, i am just a long time fan since the beginning of BIS games since the demo of OFP.
I was given your email by Placebo on BIS forums, as he said you could better answer or help me with my questions.

The questions I have pertain to a game BIS doesn't own, but has licensed their Arma2OA engine too.
the game i speak of is called Iron Front Liberation 1944.

The question is what if a another gaming company were to buy Iron Front from DeepSilver, and whomever else owns IF,
does that mean new agreements would have to be written up between BIS, the new company?

Lastly On the terms of the new company wanting to update the game via modding, like what was said here:
Modding possibilities
would it be possible to get new content, and fixes for the game if it were allowed but done by modders?

Basically what im asking is what would BIS allow and or do, and is it even possible that BIS would accept another company to buy Iron Front, because the game surely is not dead,
 the community is very active, but the game with this huge potential I find to be such a huge waste, I feel its necessary to do something with the game,
alot of us cannot let it just sit and be dead, because DeepSilver isn't doing anything with it, so why not another company that would.

My last question is referring to this Modding possibilities Is it possible at all to do something with Iron Front where the community can mod the game?
I have a team of 11 people  that can add new content and even fix various parts of the game that needs updating, so what im asking is, is it possible at all that
 BIS can setup a new agreement/license somehow where the community can add and update the game, or just with my team?

With Awar who was the developer, they have moved on, is it possible that my team can take Awar's place?
Were not interested in the money, were interested in adding to and updating the game for the community, also considering we ourselves play the game we jsut want to see it flourish.

What can we do, and your thoughts overall.

Thank you for your time.

Gunter


So now we wait, and see where this takes us.



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Thanks for the inquiry Gunter! Looking forward to a response.
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Thanks Gunter
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Yes thank you Gunter.
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Gunter, I also thank you for your great commitment to the IF.
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Thanks guys.
I just got an email from JD from matrix games read below:
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Hi Gunter this sounds like a complex situation, but let me explain how these things usually work, there are different business models, but the following is likely.

 

The developer who built the game probably owns the IP, unless he was paid on a “for hire” basis in which case the Publisher or the funder owns the IP.  If it is owned by the developer the contract he has with the publisher will expire at some point.  Otherwise It can be a complex and expensive business to unravel, so I would start by trying to find out who owns what. In the event that the engine and the IP are available there may be a way to move this forwards, but it sounds like it will take a fair bit of digging around to find who is the rightful owner. I very much doubt that this is abandoned or freeware if that is what you thought.

 Best Wishes

JDM


I have actually other news which i cannot reveal as it is a secret til we are ready to release but the team has a new development.
This is all I can say, and all I can ask is that again that you all be patient, refer to the IFR mod project thread for any new announcements.

I thank you guys for being supportive, and especially for suggestions on how to go about and do some things for the game,
Shpagin thanks for the tips.


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Well, that sounds very interesting...
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Great work Gunter! 
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Thanks Gunter! Looking forward to the announcement
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