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Joarius

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Here will i post the screenshots and others informations about the Waffen-SS that i'm working.

I can already say that i've added Krangelspiel with SS Runes and insignas of ranks on the collar of the uniform under the vest camo.
I've added too the badge of the rank on the left arm.
I will make somme screenshots after.

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Joarius, if possible please make two different sets I could choose from later.
You (all) know, signs like -Kragenspiegel with SS Runes- are forbitten here in Germany. And this means inside games too. No need to discuss about, it is as it is.
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I won't discuss, i knew it 'cause history, and law is law. But i've forgotten it. 'scuse me. :\

I will post images, and you will be able to say if that interest you to have a "light" version, and what version.
By example, the SS-Runes can be changed by a Skull ? Or it's forbidden ? I don't think so, 'cause the prussian Hussards, no ?

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This a screenshot of a Sturmbannführer. The texture is a work of -=CDO=- Mogwaii, and i've added the Krangelspiel and the badge on the arm :



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All signs are not allowed. Skull belongs to WSS so it's not allowed too.
If you texture complete new uniforms I would suggest to let the signs away inside a light version.
But as I saw, you want to set up on the existing textures by using the signs. Then there is no need for a light version. The existing SG-lib is enough then.
Joarius, that's just my opinion about, not speeking for any others, who would like to see that textures, but I would suggest to focus your work to other things as WSS...
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Saying they belong to WSS really means nothing, suggest you put up some references
or claim of ownership by whomever before pointing fingers and shouting this or that is not allowed, I'm not doubting claims but proof remains to be seen.
Where does it say by the Waffen SS that their symbols being the skulls and ruin Symbols cannot be used?

And considering this is a game and what Joarius is doing is merely trying to portray an accurate look of the SS in his textures, i really dont see what the harm
is in that unless you live in Germany where the Nazi symbols and other symbols related are forbidden.
Is that what your referring too?

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OK. Just a question for my knowledge : does the german law allow the insign of the 1st Prussian Hussard Regiment (in example) ?
They were in the 17-18th century and after, so they are not linked to nazism. It would not be under the german law, no ?
It's just a question, to allow me to know better the german law ; i don't want to polemic, i don't constest the german law, understand this. I understand the goal of the german law and i respect it.


In fact, i've begun to work on the Waffen-SS textures not by " pure pleasure of SS and membership policy " (really not), but only for the " historical precision ". And because especially what I like are the differents systems of ranks, whatever the army. As son of a french military officer, i rubbed ranks and military insignia and there are rests... You can see the effects on this post : i loved to make all the insignias of the US Army, especially the badge on the arms for the NCO.
So what interests me is to having the different ranks of the Waffen-SS, as i've made the different ranks of the Wehrmacht fot the Feldgrau uniform, or for the Panzerwaffe & Sturmgeschützwaffe, for the Luftwaffe & Flak, etc.
People can think that it's not needed to have all the ranks, but i can't stop me... It's impooossibleeeeeeeeeeee...





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I've understood that BS is German and/or lives in Germany. So Gunter, i really understand his position, as i understand your position.
It's the reason why i've proposed a "light" version for people living in Germany or beeing German : it can allow them to play with Waffen-SS without having problems with the German Law or their consciousness.
And effectively, after speaking a little with members of the Clan des Officiers, i've learnt that German Law is restrictive on Nazis symbols. But i don't know the precisions of the forbidden.


And i repeat : my goal is not to polemic, but only to play funny with "precision".

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Gunter, it seems the same always.
You may have signs of that as much as you want. We live in different countries with law that is different.
But here, inside Germany that means, that if you just having the signs inside games.., these signs may bring you in jail for 3 years.
It's our history which forces that, like it or not. Nothing to discuss as said earlier.
You may possible have the skill to read German: http://www.polizei-beratung.de/themen-und-tipps/rechtsextremismus/erkennungszeichen/s86a-zeichen.html
What you can see there is not all. It's a real sensitive topic.

Nevertheless, if you possible missunderstand what I wrote above:
I don't want you or others to to yield up having / using this signs in game. But it would be nice if we could get (here) light versions if possible too.
The same problem is for missions which may have that contents too.
Sorry for this, but I think you may understand my wish not to be excluded from what's going on here. I like this game, and if you will have a look, I say it with no offence, it's not just you or tay-uk who fill the boxes here..
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I've watched a little the link that you have posted, BS. I haven't see that insignias of ranks as watched in the Wikipedia / Grades de la Schutzstaffel were forbidden.

So, my question is : in the German Law, the Krangelspiels as the one on the right (not the SS Rune) are allowed or not ?
In the game Iron Front, the Waffen-SS (Sturmtroopers) have one example of insignia. Not the SS-Rune effectively. But the insignia of rank is present on the model for the Warrant Officer : it's an Obersturmführer. I'm sure about it because i have the image in front of my eyes in Photoshop.


And i add something important for me : i don't want people to clash for the story of Waffen-SS and SS symbols. It would be very sad for me.
So, i'm ready to make a "light" version for the players living in Germany (it means with the rank insignias but without the SS-Runes) : it doesn't disturb me.
If it allows all people to play, it's the more important for me.
It won't be immediate, but i can do it. As someone says : YES WE CAN !

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Joarius and BS thank you for clearing that up, I had an idea from the start after reading your post BS that that was what you
were referring too, so theres no misunderstanding for me.
In the future I suggest anything related to such things be it German laws or other countries law that would be related in some way,
I suggest for those that may not know that you post your reasons or explanations or even links to known information's so that
any misunderstandings could be prevented.

As i read here on that page you linked:

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Some characters are inextricably linked to the "Third Reich", the NSDAP (National Socialist German Workers' Party)
and their subdivisions - and thus to mass murder.
Thus alone is the point of these symbols banned in public.

This applies especially to the swastika as a symbol of the Nazi regime,
The same applies to symbols connected organizations,
Equally affected by the ban are other, once controlled by the Nazi party organization.


My suggestion is if Joarius wishes to use the symbols, ruins and anything else that is linked to the 3rd Reich and use them ingame, then as BS has suggested
make a regular version for those countries that dont have such laws, and then a lite version for a German version.
Up to you Joarius just respect the laws of the countries, which im sure you would.

We dont want to be getting a thread that says support BS or whomever whos now in jail, lol

 


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Uhm, a big stone is falling from my heart now. Thank you all for understanding.
I believe it is not needed, but let me say to you all, that I respect your work and particularly to Joarius.., I like your attempt being perfect with all your work.

As said it's a real sensitive topic, so I can't say what is allowed and what not.
I'm no expert. So I -just believe- that ranks are no problem. But left side in picture is forbidden.
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Just to inform that i'm making the files of the Waffen-SS with the II Rune (that will replace the SS Rune), in the camo version.
I've added an eagle on the arm for the two version, above the badge of rank.

I've worked too on feldgrau version for officers, as on schwarz version for SS officer : uniform and cap.
I want to work on feldgrau helmet, as on feldgrau soldiers of Waffen-SS, and some SS soldiers based on feldgrau.

I will post images after, when i will have more time for this.

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The SS and Waffen-SS are finished.
All the ranks have been made from Sturmbannführer to Mann.
All the uniforms have the version with SS Runes (1) and II Runes, and svastika (1) and cross version.


This a SS Sturmbannführer with black uniform :



This is a SS Rottenführerwith blach uniform :



This a Wafenn-SS Hauptsturmführerwith "feldgrau" uniform :


This is a Waffen-SS Obersturmführerwith the Camo 19 and the black helmet :


This is a Waffen-SS Sturmscharführer with the camo 27 and the grey helmet :


This a Waffen-SS Rottenführer with the camo 3 and the grey helmet :





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(1) : This version is no more downloadable on my site, 'cause french law (that i didn't know enough when i have made these images) and warnings of people who have directly contacted me about possible "problems", i've reworked the images in this topic and i've erased the link for the download.

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Nice works as always Joarius and group
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Génial!!!
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